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Gregg Carl wood you are like a brother

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from another mother keep up the great

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work

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Podcast is amazing one of the best out

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how's it going higher side shatters

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drink a little drink smoking a little

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I'm Greg Carl what just getting ready

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for the wild wild week ahead of Comic

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Con here in sunny sandy and today on the

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show is a serious serious plethora of

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paranormal goodness Chad Lewis joins me

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to talk about all the weirdness in his

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work that he's researched and sought out

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over the course of his career

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UFOs crop circles spook lights orbs

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curses Tulpa Slender Man haunted places

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cryptids conjuring and consciousness

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it's all here baby and today we have

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another Money bomb round ending and we

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had two winners again Brittany and Julie

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two lovely ladies I'm lucky to have

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listening in we're gonna talk to

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Brittany for just a minute today and

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Julie on the next one and we're also

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less than 10 days away from the launch

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of THC plus the new extended show for

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subscribers who are willing to support

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the show to the tune of about $5 a month

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I'm not trying to gouge you guys I just

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really need some money coming in I'm

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all-in on this ride and I hope you're

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buying a ticket signups have been pretty

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low and I'm getting worried but I know a

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lot of you were just waiting until the

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first if you liked the show sign up over

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at the higher side chats plus calm for

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only 5 bucks it's less than a trip to

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the drive-thru it's a box of cereal it's

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a beer $5 is exactly what I tip my

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dispensary budtender and they don't do

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[\h__\h] so I don't think it's a lot to ask

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I have recorded the first two-plus shows

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already and I gotta say they are pretty

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damn good but enough of the support talk

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let's get weird here's another little

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ditty that was sent in as a potential

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theme song we're gonna talk to Money

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bomb winner Britney and then we're gonna

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perform the rich

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of all rituals with Chad Lewis on the

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hey Brittany it's correct Meyer said

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chats how are you oh hey I know you're

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uh you're busy I'll make this quick but

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thanks a lot for listening and for

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donating and Congrats on winning the

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money bomb oh yeah pretty cool sometimes

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yeah

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so tell the people a little bit about

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yourself where are you from what do you

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do I'm from LA and I'm an eat the fiber

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sounds kind of boring but you know it's

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not too bad we've all been there right

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on what are some of your favorite topics

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or guests we have on THC I always like

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to ask the money bomb when is that all

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right well I really liked um Stewart

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Warlow he was cool I loved the hollow

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work staff it's awesome I really like

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Dan Fogler that was cool too and the

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flying humanoids you know I love

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anything crypto-jew me yeah

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cryptozoology is definitely an area I

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like a lot it's a guilty pleasure I

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don't think the audience likes it quite

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as much all the time but there is some

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of that in the new one so we'll keep it

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awesome is are there any topics that I

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have yet to talk about that you think

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are important that you'd like to hear

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about well here's one that I always look

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around for but I never really get too

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much material on is the McMartin

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preschool case it fascinates me I'm from

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the South Bay I'm the age of I was a kid

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when it happened and it was like the

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most expensive case in US history but

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there's not really a lot to be said out

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there about it and I'm totally curious

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about it yeah I know the cliffnotes the

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story but you're right I don't know a

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whole lot of details so I don't know

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maybe I'll look around for a book or an

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author somebody who's really covered it

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in depth but but yeah that's a pretty

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explosive case it should be talked about

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yeah do that for me sure I will so since

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the money bomb is made up with the

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people's money we went over 500 so I

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always like to split it at that point

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and so you're gonna get 385 we're gonna

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work that out however we do it and uh do

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you have any plans for the people's

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money at all well I do have my

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iZON a conspiracy I really like the

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professional sheet oh thank you

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yeah so I'm going to go ahead and get

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that and then I am going to buy a gift

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for my husband he's a musician but he

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kind of put that aside to get a career

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in film so I always like to get them

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stuff to keep that side of him alive so

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I'm going to give him a guitar pedal oh

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that's awesome that is an incredibly

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important part of a partnership and not

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enough people really support their

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partners dreams and ambition so that's

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awesome thank you and you know I'll

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probably have some left over that's a

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that's gonna go to be I've recently been

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spending some money on a health journey

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and clean and and doing all this gnarly

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stuff and it's getting kind of expensive

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so uh you know life hook it up for me

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and it was really cool to find out I won

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the money bomb thanks awesome well it

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sounds like you're gonna put it to good

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use so I'm happy I hope the people are

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happy I'm glad you're happy and thanks

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for taking the time to talk to me I'll

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let you get back to it all right thank

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you all right enjoy the day I will

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when I find myself in times of trouble

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mr. Carwood comes to me speaking words

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of wisdom THC

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see speaking words

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all right people today is gonna be the

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show of shows haunted places Lake

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Monsters UFOs and the whole grab bag of

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paranormal weirdness because if you want

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to understand and explore these oddities

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beneath the humdrum reality you really

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got little choice but to explore them

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yourself you know millions of people see

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here and find themselves smack dab in

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the middle of life-changing experiences

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with things they can't explain and

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they're left with few options in a world

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where the masses are well trained to

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scoff at the mysterious and just get

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back to work

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lucky for these marginalized strangeness

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experiencers they have today's guests to

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talk to and today's guest s THC his name

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is Chad Lewis and he's been researching

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lecturing and investigating tales of the

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paranormal and downright bizarre for

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over 20 years all around this crazy

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planet he's also written several books

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about these stories and investigations

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including the most gruesome hauntings in

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the Midwest

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pepé the lake monster of the Mississippi

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and over half a dozen state guys to

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strangeness and haunted sites I know I'm

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ready to get weird Chad my man how the

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hell are you hey thanks for having me

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yeah this is great thanks for being here

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I mean this is gonna be a good time man

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I've heard you talk about a pretty wide

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range of paranormal stuff in the list of

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your investigations that you have on

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your website is even longer so with

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subject matter this wide-reaching I'm

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curious what drew you into this stuff in

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the first place man was there a

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particular investigation you did where

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you find yourself going from enthusiast

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to more of a professional yeah I grew up

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in Wisconsin which has three UFO

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capitals of the world three different

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cities and I grew up near one of those

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called Elmwood and during high school I

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had heard about people seeing and in

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some cases encountering

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these UFOs so I went there to

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investigate and I was just about to

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study psychology at the University and I

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really was interested in why people

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believe in the strange and unusual when

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other people do not so I started

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researching that through my

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undergraduate and I found a lot of

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different findings that I would present

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at research symposiums really boring

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statistical stuff you're glad you

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weren't there but do after the program

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people would come up and say I know this

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really what you're doing but I think my

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homes haunted or I saw something I can't

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explain in the sky could you help me

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investigate so it really just blossomed

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from there Wow

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pretty interesting thread to follow and

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I mean man out of all the great stuff

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you've done I do think UFO research is

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probably what's most interesting to me

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maybe we could talk about a couple of

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those investigations further I've seen

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you've done a decent amount of research

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into the big ones the ones that everyone

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would know I mean Roswell in area 51 did

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you find anything outside of the typical

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storyline for these topics or did you

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get any confirmation that the stories

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are true yeah that's the problem when

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you investigate Roswell area 51 these

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things that have been really beaten to

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death that I don't know if there is

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anything more to come out from these

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stories and yes it's fun to go there and

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see where these events were alleged to

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have taken place and you know interview

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people around the area about certain

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things that may still be going on but in

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don't know if it's possible on those

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cases which it was one of the reasons I

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love doing these smaller cases that many

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people may not have heard of because

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there is often that possibility of

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something new and strange popping up

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that's true that's true but yeah I mean

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those stories alone if they're if

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they're true the implications are so

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huge and so massive that I think that's

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why they're so iconic and I think people

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are always looking for confirmation but

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sadly the further we get away from the

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actual event I mean most of that drifts

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away over time and I think today a lot

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of people are confused of what to

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believe about Roswell and others because

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so much has come out on so many

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different theories not just from the

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government who changes their explanation

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every couple years but researchers as

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well that are every year a new book with

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the new theory seems that come out and

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as fascinating as it is I say I think

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sometimes all it does is scramble for

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the people that are not diehard

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enthusiasts the general public they

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don't know what to think yeah I I

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totally agree with you on that and what

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when you have listed I hadn't heard of

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before the Aztec crash site in New

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Mexico that sounds kind of interesting

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yeah that's one of my favorite ones too

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and many people have investigated that

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one including Stanton Friedman of

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obviously many people know him for the

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Roswell case but it's another claim that

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another saucer crashed in the desert

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near Aztec New Mexico and it was thought

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to be very similar to the Roswell crash

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but back in 48 and they even have all in

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the middle of a desert a little plaque

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where this craft was said to have

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crashed and for many years the town had

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a UFO festival where they celebrated the

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town's history that a UFO gift shop but

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some of that's kind of gone by the

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wayside now as it's gotten farther from

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there further from the time period but

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yeah it was said to be a a strange crash

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much like Roswell interesting and I mean

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just the term Aztec crash site got me

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thinking I mean do you find in all these

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things that you investigate do you think

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that Native American cultures kind of

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have a more general acceptance of all

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these forms of weirdness UFOs spirits

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haunted places cryptozoology I mean they

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seem to be normalizing these things in

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their culture a little bit at least more

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than we do wouldn't you say exactly yes

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many cultures in the the native tribes

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talk about everything you just listed

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from mysterious things in the sky to

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mysterious things in the woods and they

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believe it as part of their culture and

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what I found with my dealings with many

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native tribes is that many of them on

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some of these topics do not want to talk

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about it and not because they're being

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rude or unfriendly it's because for many

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of them they believe in it so much that

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the mere thought of talking about it

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turns these things against you

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especially when it comes to things like

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the you know the Windigo

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or other beasts the Sasquatch and type

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that if you talk about these things they

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will pick up on it and come after you so

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it's best left to leave these things

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alone mm-hmm yeah

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and that makes that makes perfect sense

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I mean I have every time I talk to a

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cryptozoology researcher we get into the

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idea like how many people are really out

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there with stories they won't even talk

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about because it just sounds too crazy

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I'm sure that the experiences are far

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more vast than even the researchers are

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ever really going to get to know and

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that's the thing with UFO research as

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well that we know the majority of people

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who have something bizarre happen to

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them whether it's a sighting or an

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alleged abduction or experience one they

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don't know who to report it to or they

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don't think anyone will believe them or

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they try to rationalize it away that

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they simply don't make that report so we

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can take the amount of report we have

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and I think that's only a fraction of

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what's really happening

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yeah I agree man and you've also done

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some looking into crop circles any

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interesting insight from those

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investigations

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yes I've researched about 12 crop

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circles starting in 1994 was my first

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and that was an interesting one because

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the newspapers that touted this thing

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said that vandals had smashed down this

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cornfield and I had spoken with the

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farmer and asked him if he noticed

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anything weird out of the ordinary

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before he found these formations in his

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crop and he said nothing

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you know his livestock was fine no

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lights no people nothing so when I asked

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him why he told the newspaper that

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vandals did it he told me well what else

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could have done it mm-hmm

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so I think that illustrates just what

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we're dealing with with some of these

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formations that farmers and ranchers

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aren't necessarily concerned with what's

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doing it they just wanted to stop before

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because for them it's a loss of not only

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their crop but possibly next year's crop

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as well that's damaged and future crop

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so I think that's one of the interesting

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things but some of the cases I've

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investigated some have left me baffled

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as to I have no idea what caused it some

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I think maybe it was a hoax others I

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believe that it was wind created I had a

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farmer near Madison Wisconsin who told

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me he was watching the

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wind move his field like waves in the

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ocean and he had the radio on listening

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to the weather report that talked about

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a big storm coming in and as he looked

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over his field within seven seconds it

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just went down in a what we would

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consider a formation you know circles

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with attachments to them if you drill by

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you think that's a crop circle but he

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was adamant that the wind or the weather

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had created it now that's interesting I

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haven't heard that one before I mean

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there's obviously a lot of shows out

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there and people who make the case that

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they've they've shown plenty of times

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that people can do this in a night but

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some of the stranger cases it seems like

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the stalks have been dried out or

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they're affected in some way other than

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just being broken down with a board

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which is the way they've shown people

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doing it before have you ever found

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weirdness like that in any of these

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circles that you've investigated what I

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find interesting is that most people in

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the general public will think that crop

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formations are made by Doug and Dave the

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two old British men well of course if

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they've been making them they've been

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making them since the 1600s in nearly

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every country on Earth so they're

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experienced travelers but yes we found

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really a lot of strange things we've

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when we've taken soil samples and sent

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them into Nancy tell a bit of blt

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research there found that in the control

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samples the samples that were not

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affected the non down the stuff this

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regular was much different than the soil

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inside the effective formation you know

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it's either devoid of water or there's

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metal filings in there or it's been

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changed due to some high heat or

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radiation the actual node of these

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plants has been blown out as it's called

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by high heat or some source of radiation

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so there's a lot of differences in that

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there should not be whether it's

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man-made or something else I don't know

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but if you're taking samples nearby one

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another you would think to get roughly

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the same type of results but that's not

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the case with formations yeah some of

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them definitely seem real and to really

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dive into crop circles man you can't

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to get into some some deep level

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material because to the average person

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it makes no sense why an intelligent

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race of beings would want to make these

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patterns but if you get into the

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Egyptian mystery schools and secret

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societies and Gnosticism you start

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finding out that a lot of these crop

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circles symbols seem to jive with the

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shapes and symbols of what they call

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sacred geometry or the hidden Sciences

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to these secret orders so then you start

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to wonder if they're trying to hint at

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some lost Natural Science or energy

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systems and it starts to make a little

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more sense as a motivation of why they

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would do that I know a lot of people

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have actually mapped out all these

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formations made 3d renderings of them

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and have compared them to signs and

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symbols throughout the history of the

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world and that's a fascinating research

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area for me looking into that I love it

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and I love when crop circles and crop

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formations have a little something

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different with it I was researching one

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crop formation that appeared in a

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farmers backyard in his field and what

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he didn't know is a few days earlier I

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was speaking to a neighbor a few miles

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down the road who reported seeing a

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mysterious ball of light hovering in the

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sky about 11:30 at night as he took his

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trash out and he watched this ball of

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light move in the direction of where the

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formation would appear he said it was

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being followed by some helicopter he

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thought it was military but he couldn't

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make out any markings on it so here we

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have a ball of light being either

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followed accompanied or chased by this

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helicopter and then a formation appears

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in this very same area in the same same

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timeframe so those are the stories I

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love that have a little extra weirdness

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to them yeah man I mean when you get

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into this field for as long as you've

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been in it it takes a little something

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extra to really rally you up I'm getting

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in that same place myself but there is a

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really compelling video it's hard to

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really look at videos these days and and

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trust them but I've seen one of orbs

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kind of dancing around a field and then

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below them the crops are

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kind of forms and it's like completely

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bewildering and doesn't make a lot of

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logical sense but I mean I can't see any

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elements of Photoshop in it it looks

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pretty pretty interesting and a lot of

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people see these balls of light they're

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just they're weird they're hard to

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rationalize because it's not a

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nuts-and-bolts craft and it's not a

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biological looking person so it's like

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what the hell is it and some of the

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witnesses I've spoken with who have seen

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similar things say that these lights or

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whatever they are seem to dart around as

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though they're intelligent control that

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they have some intelligence to them and

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I was researching a formation in

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Minnesota where the farmer told me the

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night before he noticed that all his

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cattle were acting really strange all

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night he could hear them and he would

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pop his head off periodically just to

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check on them

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but they were just riled up by something

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and then of course the next day is when

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he thought discovered the formation in

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his backyard

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weird man and I am the inch on the

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subject of these orbs and when you look

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when you consider these in the field of

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more the paranormal or haunted things or

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ghosts a lot of people see these same

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things they just call them spook lights

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and I this was kind of new to me before

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I looked into your research and I

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actually grew up in Missouri and I heard

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about this thing here and there but if

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you do a google image search you can

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kind of see that a lot of people have

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gotten pictures of this and it all seems

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to be happening at the same spot where

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they have a really high success rate of

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seeing it I mean have you ever been to

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the one in Missouri there can you tell

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me what's going on with that yeah many

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people call it the Joplin spook light or

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the Hornet spook light outside of the

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small town there and it's a series of

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you know hills going into the railroad

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tracks where you can see for often a

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distance this ball of light that seems

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to rise up on its own and hover about

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but those who get close to it can see it

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people will be on walkie talkie and

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radio and they'll say you're right in

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front of it and yet the person closer

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can't find it and what I found is

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researching

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is that there are several locations

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around the u.s. there's another one up

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in my neck of the woods in the Paulding

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light of Michigan it's called where if

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you are dumped there you wouldn't know

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if you were in Joplin or Paulding

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because it's the same thing railroad

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lines with a big hill going down and

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it's almost identical to the paul the

544
00:22:42,109 --> 00:22:40,139
Paulding light and the spooklight that

545
00:22:44,239 --> 00:22:42,119
and the stories are the same these balls

546
00:22:46,489 --> 00:22:44,249
of light what witnesses claim that

547
00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:46,499
they've actually been chased by these

548
00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:48,570
balls of light again as though they're

549
00:22:52,729 --> 00:22:50,960
under some type of intelligent control

550
00:22:55,009 --> 00:22:52,739
yeah man

551
00:22:57,079 --> 00:22:55,019
super strange I mean the language used

552
00:23:00,139 --> 00:22:57,089
in calling it a spook light seems to

553
00:23:02,599 --> 00:23:00,149
imply either something ghost related or

554
00:23:04,959 --> 00:23:02,609
the Midwest is just super racist or both

555
00:23:06,859 --> 00:23:04,969
but purpose of light seemed to be

556
00:23:10,009 --> 00:23:06,869
happening all over the place it's almost

557
00:23:11,810 --> 00:23:10,019
like a whole nother section of research

558
00:23:14,029 --> 00:23:11,820
but I would be more inclined to think it

559
00:23:17,089 --> 00:23:14,039
had something to do with ET contact or

560
00:23:19,820 --> 00:23:17,099
maybe a biological intelligent entity

561
00:23:21,769 --> 00:23:19,830
that is multi-dimensional or something

562
00:23:23,950 --> 00:23:21,779
that is natural to the earth that just

563
00:23:28,129 --> 00:23:23,960
is on a different wavelength than we are

564
00:23:31,639 --> 00:23:28,139
huh it's weird and a lot of these

565
00:23:34,039 --> 00:23:31,649
stories predate automobiles so they go

566
00:23:36,139 --> 00:23:34,049
back generations so I think it seems

567
00:23:38,959 --> 00:23:36,149
fitting that back at that time they

568
00:23:41,060 --> 00:23:38,969
would account it as a haunting a ghost

569
00:23:43,940 --> 00:23:41,070
light and a lot of the original stories

570
00:23:45,829 --> 00:23:43,950
are of railroad men who lost their lives

571
00:23:47,779 --> 00:23:45,839
and that's why they're carrying the

572
00:23:50,899 --> 00:23:47,789
lantern out there you know your typical

573
00:23:52,820 --> 00:23:50,909
ghosts or haunted stories because at the

574
00:23:56,239 --> 00:23:52,830
time that's the only information they

575
00:23:58,909 --> 00:23:56,249
had to explain it whereas nowadays maybe

576
00:24:01,659 --> 00:23:58,919
more people are looking at it as as you

577
00:24:04,700 --> 00:24:01,669
mentioned some type of other light

578
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:04,710
rather than just that being a haunted

579
00:24:09,979 --> 00:24:07,919
story yeah and I mean you have looked

580
00:24:12,049 --> 00:24:09,989
into a lot of haunted places which I've

581
00:24:14,450 --> 00:24:12,059
never really covered in almost three

582
00:24:16,430 --> 00:24:14,460
years of doing this show because when I

583
00:24:18,049 --> 00:24:16,440
see the TV shows there just seems to be

584
00:24:19,549 --> 00:24:18,059
a lot of fraud and because you're

585
00:24:22,249 --> 00:24:19,559
dealing with the dead a lot of people

586
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:22,259
get into religion which I've had enough

587
00:24:27,469 --> 00:24:25,919
of for one lifetime honestly but I mean

588
00:24:29,479 --> 00:24:27,479
are there any haunted locations that

589
00:24:31,850 --> 00:24:29,489
stick out to you is particularly creepy

590
00:24:34,190 --> 00:24:31,860
and interesting yeah

591
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:34,200
many that are creepy and interesting but

592
00:24:38,360 --> 00:24:36,170
you're right that I've investigated

593
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:38,370
thousands of these places around the

594
00:24:43,130 --> 00:24:40,530
world that have a haunted story to them

595
00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:43,140
and oftentimes you start hearing the

596
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:45,600
same type of thing happening over and

597
00:24:51,380 --> 00:24:47,250
over and over and whether that's just

598
00:24:53,450 --> 00:24:51,390
part of the actual phenomenon or it's

599
00:24:56,810 --> 00:24:53,460
that people have been conditioned from

600
00:24:59,870 --> 00:24:56,820
all the TV shows that are on there that

601
00:25:03,230 --> 00:24:59,880
every noise now has to be a residual

602
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:03,240
haunting or you know every single thing

603
00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:05,610
that happens has to have a spirit with

604
00:25:10,700 --> 00:25:08,130
it and it's amazing that when I do

605
00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:10,710
lectures how many people have a haunted

606
00:25:15,409 --> 00:25:12,480
story with them now

607
00:25:17,690 --> 00:25:15,419
I love haunted stories I love watching

608
00:25:20,270 --> 00:25:17,700
the progression of these stories as they

609
00:25:22,340 --> 00:25:20,280
move throughout the years that there are

610
00:25:25,220 --> 00:25:22,350
many of these stories that if you talk

611
00:25:27,049 --> 00:25:25,230
to seniors in their 70s and 80s they

612
00:25:30,260 --> 00:25:27,059
remember the story from their teenage

613
00:25:32,810 --> 00:25:30,270
years and it may be one version and then

614
00:25:34,669 --> 00:25:32,820
you talk to teenagers currently and they

615
00:25:37,850 --> 00:25:34,679
have a completely different story of the

616
00:25:40,580 --> 00:25:37,860
same case so it's just moved and

617
00:25:42,620 --> 00:25:40,590
progressed over the years it's like a

618
00:25:46,159 --> 00:25:42,630
weird game of telephone you know the

619
00:25:49,370 --> 00:25:46,169
story is definitely more but you know if

620
00:25:52,430 --> 00:25:49,380
I was somewhat skeptical of ghosts and

621
00:25:54,220 --> 00:25:52,440
haunted places and I wanted to get some

622
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:54,230
personal validation is there a certain

623
00:26:01,280 --> 00:25:57,450
location in modern times that you would

624
00:26:04,100 --> 00:26:01,290
send me to yeah I would think I would

625
00:26:06,950 --> 00:26:04,110
personally go maybe stay away just like

626
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:06,960
some of the UFO stuff maybe stay away

627
00:26:13,340 --> 00:26:09,330
from the big ones you can go to Alcatraz

628
00:26:15,890 --> 00:26:13,350
you can go to the Villisca ax Murder

629
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:15,900
House of Iowa and some of these really

630
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:19,679
well-known hauntings but if you want to

631
00:26:24,590 --> 00:26:21,600
define something right in your backyard

632
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:24,600
I recommend you go out into some of

633
00:26:28,909 --> 00:26:26,730
these rural places where you're not

634
00:26:31,490 --> 00:26:28,919
going to be bothered by other people

635
00:26:33,919 --> 00:26:31,500
visiting you're not going to be bothered

636
00:26:35,570 --> 00:26:33,929
by you know traffic and all these

637
00:26:37,850 --> 00:26:35,580
disturbances where you can just go to

638
00:26:38,810 --> 00:26:37,860
these places and have something happen

639
00:26:41,030 --> 00:26:38,820
now

640
00:26:42,860 --> 00:26:41,040
the problem with the hauntings is

641
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:42,870
there's no really rhyme or reason to

642
00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:44,570
them some of them

643
00:26:48,789 --> 00:26:46,130
yes we'll say you have to be there on a

644
00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:48,799
certain time at a certain night but many

645
00:26:54,009 --> 00:26:50,809
of them are just sporadic we have no

646
00:26:57,460 --> 00:26:54,019
rhyme or reason as to when or why people

647
00:26:59,649 --> 00:26:57,470
have experiences so you can go to an

648
00:27:01,870 --> 00:26:59,659
alleged haunted place ten times in a row

649
00:27:03,850 --> 00:27:01,880
and nothing will happen yet somebody

650
00:27:06,220 --> 00:27:03,860
just happens by there not even knowing

651
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:06,230
is haunted and they have an experience

652
00:27:11,110 --> 00:27:08,570
but my advice is always hit the

653
00:27:14,529 --> 00:27:11,120
backroads get out to the places that are

654
00:27:17,019 --> 00:27:14,539
hard to get to and nobody's there and if

655
00:27:20,139 --> 00:27:17,029
you go in thinking something might

656
00:27:22,029 --> 00:27:20,149
happen you have a much greater chance of

657
00:27:24,519 --> 00:27:22,039
something happening that was one of the

658
00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:24,529
things I found working on my master's

659
00:27:28,450 --> 00:27:26,720
thesis looking at beliefs in the

660
00:27:31,029 --> 00:27:28,460
paranormal that when people went to

661
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:31,039
these places expecting that something

662
00:27:37,509 --> 00:27:33,490
was going to happen it was statistically

663
00:27:40,210 --> 00:27:37,519
speaking much more likely that something

664
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:40,220
would happen to them now whether it

665
00:27:45,070 --> 00:27:42,320
really happened or they just imagined it

666
00:27:47,350 --> 00:27:45,080
that's a whole different question well

667
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:47,360
it is a really interesting one because

668
00:27:52,060 --> 00:27:49,730
that gets into the idea of manifesting

669
00:27:53,799 --> 00:27:52,070
reality the power of consciousness I

670
00:27:55,810 --> 00:27:53,809
mean I've been talking to a lot of

671
00:27:58,840 --> 00:27:55,820
occult magicians and some of these other

672
00:28:00,310 --> 00:27:58,850
shows members of the OTO and follow

673
00:28:03,940 --> 00:28:00,320
stirs of crowley

674
00:28:05,379 --> 00:28:03,950
and a lot of these guys that's kind of

675
00:28:07,810 --> 00:28:05,389
their philosophy is that you can

676
00:28:09,369 --> 00:28:07,820
manifest reality in some way it's more

677
00:28:12,220 --> 00:28:09,379
malleable than we think we're not

678
00:28:13,389 --> 00:28:12,230
victims of a universe that exists and

679
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:13,399
we're just part of it we can actually

680
00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:16,970
were co-creators of it and that jives

681
00:28:21,100 --> 00:28:18,289
with that I wonder if there's not

682
00:28:25,060 --> 00:28:21,110
something there that people are bringing

683
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:25,070
forth things out of their deeper

684
00:28:28,509 --> 00:28:26,690
recesses of their consciousness that

685
00:28:30,639 --> 00:28:28,519
they don't realize they're doing I

686
00:28:32,919 --> 00:28:30,649
wonder I wonder what the relationship is

687
00:28:34,629 --> 00:28:32,929
there that's a great point

688
00:28:36,850 --> 00:28:34,639
and I think you're right on there that a

689
00:28:38,619 --> 00:28:36,860
lot of people that do go there maybe

690
00:28:41,259 --> 00:28:38,629
they're opening themselves up or

691
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:41,269
creating it a lot of the intuitive Zoar

692
00:28:46,629 --> 00:28:43,610
psychics I sometimes bring with me will

693
00:28:49,659 --> 00:28:46,639
report that you have to open yourself up

694
00:28:51,850 --> 00:28:49,669
or create this atmosphere for these

695
00:28:54,850 --> 00:28:51,860
things to change and that maybe it's

696
00:28:57,460 --> 00:28:54,860
that positive intent follows the energy

697
00:29:00,399 --> 00:28:57,470
of it or energy follows intent

698
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:00,409
that and I think a lot of people that

699
00:29:05,470 --> 00:29:03,440
when they they have to open it up you

700
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:05,480
start looking into tapas and other

701
00:29:11,500 --> 00:29:07,490
things that maybe these things have been

702
00:29:12,700 --> 00:29:11,510
created by our own belief systems topos

703
00:29:15,669 --> 00:29:12,710
I'm not familiar with that can you

704
00:29:18,549 --> 00:29:15,679
explain what those are yeah

705
00:29:21,130 --> 00:29:18,559
tapas obviously they have a long history

706
00:29:23,289 --> 00:29:21,140
and what it is is many researchers are

707
00:29:26,260 --> 00:29:23,299
now believing many cryptids might be

708
00:29:29,890 --> 00:29:26,270
tapas and that is the belief that you

709
00:29:32,470 --> 00:29:29,900
can actually create these things out of

710
00:29:35,610 --> 00:29:32,480
thin air that if there's enough belief

711
00:29:37,690 --> 00:29:35,620
and enough storytelling and enough

712
00:29:40,450 --> 00:29:37,700
conjuring if you will all of these

713
00:29:42,370 --> 00:29:40,460
things you actually manifest them and

714
00:29:45,970 --> 00:29:42,380
create them and there were many

715
00:29:49,930 --> 00:29:45,980
experiments years ago during séances

716
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:49,940
where people seemed to be able to create

717
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:53,090
actual spirits that they gave them a

718
00:29:57,580 --> 00:29:55,730
backstory and they gave them everything

719
00:29:59,890 --> 00:29:57,590
that they needed and these things took

720
00:30:03,820 --> 00:29:59,900
on a life of their own and that mini

721
00:30:05,770 --> 00:30:03,830
researcher believe that you know Bigfoot

722
00:30:07,779 --> 00:30:05,780
or other creatures may not actually be

723
00:30:10,090 --> 00:30:07,789
flesh and blood but they may be

724
00:30:13,779 --> 00:30:10,100
something that over generations have

725
00:30:15,700 --> 00:30:13,789
been created by our conscious belief in

726
00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:15,710
them that is really interesting I just

727
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:18,289
recently had a guest in the in the magic

728
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:20,330
realm Phil Farber he brought up a

729
00:30:27,100 --> 00:30:22,610
concept he talks about mimetic entities

730
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:27,110
which seems very similar to tapas and it

731
00:30:32,110 --> 00:30:29,210
seems to be the case I mean one big

732
00:30:35,940 --> 00:30:32,120
example is the work of HP Lovecraft you

733
00:30:40,090 --> 00:30:35,950
know a legendary famous writer of

734
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:40,100
strange fiction horror fiction and his

735
00:30:48,130 --> 00:30:44,330
lore is so rich and fans are so into it

736
00:30:51,370 --> 00:30:48,140
that there are magical sects that are

737
00:30:52,750 --> 00:30:51,380
trying to invoke or conjure the beings

738
00:30:55,570 --> 00:30:52,760
of HP Lovecraft

739
00:30:57,340 --> 00:30:55,580
and his material and if there's it

740
00:31:00,340 --> 00:30:57,350
exactly if there's enough of a base

741
00:31:03,390 --> 00:31:00,350
there if there's enough of a consensus

742
00:31:05,770 --> 00:31:03,400
on what this archetype or idea

743
00:31:09,970 --> 00:31:05,780
represents and enough people concentrate

744
00:31:11,020 --> 00:31:09,980
on it it seems to have in some extreme

745
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:11,030
cases real

746
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:13,970
third dimensional reality effects I I

747
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:15,650
have a hard time finding the science

748
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:19,850
that can answer why that happens and I

749
00:31:24,850 --> 00:31:21,650
think one of the the most recent

750
00:31:28,390 --> 00:31:24,860
examples we have of this is that of the

751
00:31:31,030 --> 00:31:28,400
Slender Man that of course yes you know

752
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:31,040
it was created online but then spread

753
00:31:36,430 --> 00:31:32,930
and all of a sudden people actually

754
00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:36,440
started seeing it out in their daily

755
00:31:42,430 --> 00:31:39,200
lives and just recently in my home state

756
00:31:44,620 --> 00:31:42,440
here in Wisconsin we had two girls try

757
00:31:47,830 --> 00:31:44,630
to murder her their friend 12 year olds

758
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:47,840
try to murder their friend stabbed her

759
00:31:52,990 --> 00:31:49,970
multiple times and left her for dead

760
00:31:55,210 --> 00:31:53,000
as a tribute to Slenderman that they

761
00:31:58,030 --> 00:31:55,220
were actually going to go visit him and

762
00:32:00,700 --> 00:31:58,040
one of them said that Slenderman had

763
00:32:04,140 --> 00:32:00,710
been communicating telepathically with

764
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:04,150
her so I think this is a great case of

765
00:32:10,090 --> 00:32:06,890
one of those where something starts out

766
00:32:12,490 --> 00:32:10,100
as just almost a lark online and it

767
00:32:14,500 --> 00:32:12,500
creates its life of its own and really

768
00:32:17,380 --> 00:32:14,510
people believe it's out there right now

769
00:32:20,860 --> 00:32:17,390
you know I guess skeptics would say that

770
00:32:24,070 --> 00:32:20,870
either the girls crazy or has some need

771
00:32:26,050 --> 00:32:24,080
for self-importance or attention but it

772
00:32:27,190 --> 00:32:26,060
just kind of depends on the terms you

773
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:27,200
use because you could also call that

774
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:29,450
mild possession you know who knows where

775
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:32,450
the real motivation to kill came from

776
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:35,360
that's that's pretty trippy stuff it is

777
00:32:40,420 --> 00:32:38,720
and I think when it's done outside of

778
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:40,430
you brought up religion earlier when

779
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:43,490
it's done outside of religion its seemed

780
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:46,250
as a a mental illness that if this

781
00:32:51,490 --> 00:32:48,850
person's communicating with Slenderman

782
00:32:54,340 --> 00:32:51,500
obviously she has some mental issues

783
00:32:57,550 --> 00:32:54,350
going on but yet when you get a calling

784
00:32:59,830 --> 00:32:57,560
from God or that you know you're you

785
00:33:02,680 --> 00:32:59,840
find that God's communicating with you

786
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:02,690
that's quite different in the in the

787
00:33:07,750 --> 00:33:05,600
mass media anyway right and it's really

788
00:33:09,670 --> 00:33:07,760
easy for people who've never had this

789
00:33:11,530 --> 00:33:09,680
type of experience to point to someone

790
00:33:13,750 --> 00:33:11,540
and just label them as crazy but that

791
00:33:15,790 --> 00:33:13,760
might be easy to say if an entity has

792
00:33:18,610 --> 00:33:15,800
never targeted your consciousness you

793
00:33:21,700 --> 00:33:18,620
know yeah thankfully I mean knock on

794
00:33:24,310 --> 00:33:21,710
wood but these were girls were you know

795
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:24,320
adamant that this this thing was a lot

796
00:33:29,289 --> 00:33:26,210
and that it was controlling them and

797
00:33:31,330 --> 00:33:29,299
they had to do this and that's something

798
00:33:33,549 --> 00:33:31,340
we haven't seen in a while especially

799
00:33:36,669 --> 00:33:33,559
with something that really has only been

800
00:33:39,850 --> 00:33:36,679
around since you know 2009 and that's

801
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:39,860
gaining such notoriety so quick that ten

802
00:33:43,870 --> 00:33:41,690
years from now people may be seeing the

803
00:33:46,930 --> 00:33:43,880
Slenderman everywhere or it might

804
00:33:48,940 --> 00:33:46,940
evaporate overnight yeah I mean I have

805
00:33:50,860 --> 00:33:48,950
no doubt that people have seen some

806
00:33:53,500 --> 00:33:50,870
weird stuff and had some super strange

807
00:33:56,380 --> 00:33:53,510
experiences in this area in the area of

808
00:33:58,870 --> 00:33:56,390
hauntings and and ghosts and entities

809
00:34:01,539 --> 00:33:58,880
like that but one of the big issues I

810
00:34:03,820 --> 00:34:01,549
have with ghost hunters as compared to

811
00:34:06,250 --> 00:34:03,830
say like UFO hundreds or cryptid hunters

812
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:06,260
is the EMF meters they use because

813
00:34:10,090 --> 00:34:07,970
they're supposed to detect changes in

814
00:34:12,250 --> 00:34:10,100
electromagnetic fields or electrically

815
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:12,260
charged objects but if you look into the

816
00:34:16,780 --> 00:34:14,240
electric universe model or the secret

817
00:34:18,190 --> 00:34:16,790
sciences of the elite or the suppressed

818
00:34:20,740 --> 00:34:18,200
work of Nikola Tesla

819
00:34:23,619 --> 00:34:20,750
I'm not sure that we know enough about

820
00:34:26,169 --> 00:34:23,629
electric currents or electromagnetism in

821
00:34:28,359 --> 00:34:26,179
our world in general to use these types

822
00:34:32,369 --> 00:34:28,369
of devices reliably you know what I mean

823
00:34:36,190 --> 00:34:32,379
I wish I would have gotten into the EMF

824
00:34:37,419 --> 00:34:36,200
business aspect of it years ago because

825
00:34:40,090 --> 00:34:37,429
you're exactly right

826
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:40,100
you turn on any television show or look

827
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:41,810
at any of these thousands of ghost

828
00:34:45,879 --> 00:34:43,970
hunting groups that pop up they all run

829
00:34:49,119 --> 00:34:45,889
around with an EMF meter or that any

830
00:34:50,409 --> 00:34:49,129
spike is a evidence of a ghost and I

831
00:34:54,099 --> 00:34:50,419
don't know where these things came from

832
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:54,109
I think many people started out using

833
00:34:59,170 --> 00:34:56,450
these things to try to explain rational

834
00:35:01,150 --> 00:34:59,180
or logical explanations and then somehow

835
00:35:03,820 --> 00:35:01,160
it got turned into if you have an

836
00:35:06,010 --> 00:35:03,830
electrical disturbance it's a ghost and

837
00:35:09,820 --> 00:35:06,020
I don't know where that came from why

838
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:09,830
isn't a leprechaun or a unicorn you know

839
00:35:14,290 --> 00:35:12,290
we have no proof that it's a ghost yet

840
00:35:17,260 --> 00:35:14,300
when people get these spikes on their

841
00:35:19,870 --> 00:35:17,270
EMF meters or their k2 meters or their

842
00:35:21,790 --> 00:35:19,880
francs box all these things all of a

843
00:35:24,010 --> 00:35:21,800
sudden point to ghosts when there's

844
00:35:26,140 --> 00:35:24,020
really no evidence whatsoever for it

845
00:35:27,730 --> 00:35:26,150
what is your take on ghosts man I mean

846
00:35:29,470 --> 00:35:27,740
have you see even sure you've seen

847
00:35:31,300 --> 00:35:29,480
enough in your research to think there's

848
00:35:33,099 --> 00:35:31,310
something going on there but do you

849
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:33,109
think it's some type of interaction with

850
00:35:37,780 --> 00:35:35,450
our reality from people who have died or

851
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:37,790
is it something else

852
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:39,770
that's a great question and I guess the

853
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:42,010
simple answer is I don't know

854
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:44,810
after 20-some years of doing this I'm

855
00:35:49,060 --> 00:35:46,730
left with more questions and answers I

856
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:49,070
really believe that after talking with

857
00:35:54,460 --> 00:35:51,650
thousands of witnesses that most of them

858
00:35:56,620 --> 00:35:54,470
are normal logical rational intelligent

859
00:35:59,340 --> 00:35:56,630
people who just had something bizarre

860
00:36:00,610 --> 00:35:59,350
happen to them that they can't explain

861
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:00,620
yet

862
00:36:04,810 --> 00:36:02,570
where are they really seeing someone

863
00:36:07,450 --> 00:36:04,820
that's come back from the dead or are

864
00:36:09,670 --> 00:36:07,460
they seeing some type of environmental

865
00:36:11,410 --> 00:36:09,680
recording of an event that's already

866
00:36:14,590 --> 00:36:11,420
happened and it just keeps replaying

867
00:36:16,450 --> 00:36:14,600
over and over and over on a DVD type

868
00:36:19,180 --> 00:36:16,460
loop I don't know what are they

869
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:19,190
hallucinating and seeing maybe in two

870
00:36:22,900 --> 00:36:21,290
different dimensions and you know I

871
00:36:25,750 --> 00:36:22,910
still don't have a definitive answer

872
00:36:28,690 --> 00:36:25,760
every time I think I get a theory to

873
00:36:30,370 --> 00:36:28,700
explain some of these things I I get a

874
00:36:34,410 --> 00:36:30,380
new case that puts me right back to

875
00:36:36,940 --> 00:36:34,420
square one yeah I mean I'm not really

876
00:36:38,890 --> 00:36:36,950
like I don't rule anything out and I'm

877
00:36:41,410 --> 00:36:38,900
not really attached to any particular

878
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:41,420
worldview but I vibe more with concepts

879
00:36:45,850 --> 00:36:43,850
of reincarnation and the idea that our

880
00:36:47,620 --> 00:36:45,860
bodies are just vessels that allow the

881
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:47,630
universal consciousness to look at

882
00:36:52,090 --> 00:36:50,210
itself and within that framework I've

883
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:52,100
had a hard time explaining ghosts to

884
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:54,530
myself or more so than someone with a

885
00:36:59,440 --> 00:36:56,800
Catholic view might you know what I mean

886
00:37:02,350 --> 00:36:59,450
mm-hmm and a lot of people you know

887
00:37:04,510 --> 00:37:02,360
think that ghosts are deceased loved

888
00:37:07,420 --> 00:37:04,520
ones who have come back or are in a

889
00:37:09,670 --> 00:37:07,430
place where they can communicate whereas

890
00:37:12,820 --> 00:37:09,680
other cultures and even here in the

891
00:37:16,090 --> 00:37:12,830
states other people see them as demons

892
00:37:18,850 --> 00:37:16,100
or you know other entities that are not

893
00:37:20,350 --> 00:37:18,860
human and although most people think of

894
00:37:22,690 --> 00:37:20,360
them as someone who has once lived on

895
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:22,700
earth and is now coming back that's not

896
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:25,490
the universal belief in them gotcha

897
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:27,770
yeah I would side more with those people

898
00:37:31,450 --> 00:37:29,330
too you know that it's something other

899
00:37:33,610 --> 00:37:31,460
than a person that's died but I guess

900
00:37:34,660 --> 00:37:33,620
that's just kind of what Hollywood puts

901
00:37:37,900 --> 00:37:34,670
out there you know that's what the

902
00:37:40,300 --> 00:37:37,910
mainstream ghost hunter shows tend to be

903
00:37:41,950 --> 00:37:40,310
about so yeah it seems like the

904
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:41,960
conventional view but I mean nothing

905
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:43,490
about these things has really a

906
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:45,290
conventional view everybody's kind of

907
00:37:50,500 --> 00:37:48,290
figuring it out on their own but you

908
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:50,510
know we kind of mentioned the concepts

909
00:37:52,690 --> 00:37:51,290
of imposing

910
00:37:54,970 --> 00:37:52,700
we'll in the universe and occult magic

911
00:37:57,250 --> 00:37:54,980
earlier which I really like and it sort

912
00:37:59,110 --> 00:37:57,260
of touches on the idea of curses and

913
00:38:00,430 --> 00:37:59,120
cursed places which you've done some

914
00:38:03,130 --> 00:38:00,440
looking into to do you know any

915
00:38:07,810 --> 00:38:03,140
compelling stories of curses that seem

916
00:38:11,410 --> 00:38:07,820
to hold up to you well a lot of them are

917
00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:11,420
friends of friends stories that I've

918
00:38:15,490 --> 00:38:13,250
researched hundreds of these dares

919
00:38:17,770 --> 00:38:15,500
around the u.s. in the world and dears

920
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:17,780
are usually things you have to do at

921
00:38:21,310 --> 00:38:20,450
these usually haunted places that if you

922
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:21,320
do them

923
00:38:27,340 --> 00:38:24,800
bad luck misfortune mishap even death

924
00:38:29,410 --> 00:38:27,350
will follow you and it's always a friend

925
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:29,420
of a friend that someone will contact me

926
00:38:33,910 --> 00:38:31,490
and say that they sat in the cursed

927
00:38:35,650 --> 00:38:33,920
chair in a cemetery and that you know

928
00:38:37,930 --> 00:38:35,660
their friend was involved in a car

929
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:37,940
accident on the way home so then you try

930
00:38:42,340 --> 00:38:39,650
to talk to that friend and it turns out

931
00:38:44,620 --> 00:38:42,350
that was a co-worker of those and it's

932
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:44,630
just a rabbit chase that never seems to

933
00:38:50,740 --> 00:38:47,810
end but one of my favorite stories of

934
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:50,750
curses that I think has some validity to

935
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:53,810
it is the curse of Robert the doll down

936
00:38:58,930 --> 00:38:56,810
in Key West Florida and many say that

937
00:39:01,780 --> 00:38:58,940
was the inspiration for the movie Chucky

938
00:39:04,260 --> 00:39:01,790
and child's play and it's a hundred year

939
00:39:07,390 --> 00:39:04,270
old doll that is thought to be cursed

940
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:07,400
for anybody who comes in contact with it

941
00:39:13,150 --> 00:39:10,610
and does not ask permission to take its

942
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:13,160
photo or do other things if you go to

943
00:39:18,190 --> 00:39:15,650
the museum where it's housed several

944
00:39:20,500 --> 00:39:18,200
walls are filled with letters from

945
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:20,510
people claiming that when they went to

946
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:22,970
visit Robert they were rude or they

947
00:39:27,670 --> 00:39:25,010
didn't ask permission and then bad luck

948
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:27,680
seemed to approach them afterwards and

949
00:39:31,210 --> 00:39:29,210
you know you have hundreds of these

950
00:39:33,940 --> 00:39:31,220
people that are claiming to have

951
00:39:36,700 --> 00:39:33,950
something happen bad while they were

952
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:36,710
visiting Robert the doll and it was

953
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:39,050
funny just a couple years back I was in

954
00:39:45,820 --> 00:39:42,970
Florida doing a program on TV with a

955
00:39:48,070 --> 00:39:45,830
company doing a documentary on Robert

956
00:39:50,860 --> 00:39:48,080
the doll and they had just the news crew

957
00:39:52,900 --> 00:39:50,870
had just visited Robert the day before

958
00:39:55,420 --> 00:39:52,910
and they were all kind of skeptics and

959
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:55,430
you know just filmmakers they didn't

960
00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:57,440
believe in the paranormal and I was

961
00:40:02,020 --> 00:40:00,320
meeting them in Florida at this location

962
00:40:04,839 --> 00:40:02,030
down by a swamp to give it good

963
00:40:07,150 --> 00:40:04,849
atmosphere and right before I got there

964
00:40:09,789 --> 00:40:07,160
they were in the rental car backing it

965
00:40:12,579 --> 00:40:09,799
up and they smashed it into a tree and

966
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:12,589
broke out the huge back window and they

967
00:40:16,509 --> 00:40:14,210
all started laughing when I got there

968
00:40:19,329 --> 00:40:16,519
saying that the curse of Robert had

969
00:40:21,489 --> 00:40:19,339
finally followed them and I love stories

970
00:40:23,799 --> 00:40:21,499
like that where it's maybe just nothing

971
00:40:26,499 --> 00:40:23,809
more than a coincidence but we attached

972
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:26,509
some meaning to it that we normally

973
00:40:31,630 --> 00:40:29,119
wouldn't have yeah it just makes life

974
00:40:33,130 --> 00:40:31,640
more fun you know to have a little bit

975
00:40:35,019 --> 00:40:33,140
of a sense of humor with those kind of

976
00:40:37,870 --> 00:40:35,029
things and it does beg the question the

977
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:37,880
psychological question you know is it

978
00:40:42,190 --> 00:40:40,160
because you heard the story and then the

979
00:40:44,700 --> 00:40:42,200
seed was planted and then they

980
00:40:47,170 --> 00:40:44,710
manifested some bad luck subconsciously

981
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:47,180
does it have to do with synchronicities

982
00:40:53,469 --> 00:40:50,690
I think there's a weird subconscious

983
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:53,479
thought field or matrix that people can

984
00:40:58,749 --> 00:40:57,410
tap into and sometimes it sometimes may

985
00:41:01,029 --> 00:40:58,759
be these things that are considered

986
00:41:03,609 --> 00:41:01,039
paranormal involve that realm that

987
00:41:07,089 --> 00:41:03,619
sector of the universe that we haven't

988
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:07,099
yet defined in modern science I agree

989
00:41:11,799 --> 00:41:08,960
with that completely and I think it's

990
00:41:14,410 --> 00:41:11,809
all about perspective I visited a place

991
00:41:17,499 --> 00:41:14,420
called the Black Angel of Death in Iowa

992
00:41:19,779 --> 00:41:17,509
City Iowa in a cemetery this black angel

993
00:41:22,539 --> 00:41:19,789
gravestone that is said to curse people

994
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:22,549
and kill people and everything you can

995
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:24,319
think of terrible and I'd been there

996
00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:27,440
half a dozen times never with without

997
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:30,049
any ill effects to me and the last time

998
00:41:35,890 --> 00:41:32,690
I was there the very next day after

999
00:41:38,229 --> 00:41:35,900
leaving the Black Angel I received a

1000
00:41:40,329 --> 00:41:38,239
speeding ticket my first one in 20-some

1001
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:40,339
years and again was that just

1002
00:41:43,749 --> 00:41:41,210
coincidence

1003
00:41:46,029 --> 00:41:43,759
or you know was it something related to

1004
00:41:48,339 --> 00:41:46,039
the statue and that's part of the fun is

1005
00:41:50,829 --> 00:41:48,349
making up your own mind yeah I mean

1006
00:41:52,569 --> 00:41:50,839
weird stuff and I'm always tempted to

1007
00:41:54,009 --> 00:41:52,579
provoke something that's said to be

1008
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:54,019
cursed or haunted for the sake of

1009
00:41:57,999 --> 00:41:56,210
validating it but it seems to be just a

1010
00:41:59,769 --> 00:41:58,009
lose-lose either nothing happens and I

1011
00:42:01,269 --> 00:41:59,779
lose a little piece of that magic in my

1012
00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:01,279
life or I get the proof I'm looking for

1013
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:03,200
and the curse ruins my life so maybe

1014
00:42:08,170 --> 00:42:05,690
I'll just pass on those temptations yeah

1015
00:42:10,180 --> 00:42:08,180
a lot of people actually that's a new

1016
00:42:12,459 --> 00:42:10,190
trend in the legend tripping field of

1017
00:42:15,459 --> 00:42:12,469
calling out these dares and doing them

1018
00:42:17,529 --> 00:42:15,469
with the the idea that something bad

1019
00:42:18,460 --> 00:42:17,539
will happen and I have so many people

1020
00:42:20,349 --> 00:42:18,470
who tell me they

1021
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:20,359
want to you know sit on this cursed

1022
00:42:24,700 --> 00:42:22,970
mausoleum in Wisconsin that you'll be

1023
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:24,710
shoved to the ground by the angry

1024
00:42:30,070 --> 00:42:27,410
spirits and they go out seeking to do

1025
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:30,080
these things or they want to go down to

1026
00:42:34,660 --> 00:42:32,720
Collinsville Illinois to the gates of

1027
00:42:37,359 --> 00:42:34,670
Hell where it is said if you pass

1028
00:42:39,550 --> 00:42:37,369
through all seven of the bridges and one

1029
00:42:42,220 --> 00:42:39,560
night the gates will open up and people

1030
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:42,230
actually want to try these things to do

1031
00:42:46,750 --> 00:42:44,720
them but maybe you're you're in a better

1032
00:42:49,030 --> 00:42:46,760
perspective there it's a lose-lose

1033
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:49,040
either way yeah I want to see someone

1034
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:51,890
else do it but I'd like to stake I come

1035
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:53,359
from police save seat off on the

1036
00:42:57,550 --> 00:42:55,130
sidelines man you know you've also

1037
00:42:59,410 --> 00:42:57,560
looked a lot into cryptozoology

1038
00:43:02,230 --> 00:42:59,420
creatures which the listeners know is a

1039
00:43:05,109 --> 00:43:02,240
guilty pleasure of mine but one on your

1040
00:43:08,020 --> 00:43:05,119
list that I hadn't heard of was the Tata

1041
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:08,030
dune II in Brazil and Belize I googled

1042
00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:09,650
it and it seems to be some type of no

1043
00:43:12,849 --> 00:43:11,510
more leprechaun type of thing what's the

1044
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:12,859
story with those little guys

1045
00:43:18,849 --> 00:43:15,680
yeah the Tata Duende in Central and

1046
00:43:21,099 --> 00:43:18,859
South America the the variations change

1047
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:21,109
some talk of it as like a norm or a

1048
00:43:26,050 --> 00:43:24,170
leprechaun or a trickster whereas others

1049
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:26,060
that I spoke with said that it was more

1050
00:43:31,900 --> 00:43:28,730
of a jungle protector of their the

1051
00:43:34,180 --> 00:43:31,910
resources over there and the majority of

1052
00:43:36,700 --> 00:43:34,190
sightings come with this creature being

1053
00:43:39,190 --> 00:43:36,710
you know a diminutive creature three and

1054
00:43:43,500 --> 00:43:39,200
a half to four feet tall wearing a

1055
00:43:46,329 --> 00:43:43,510
sombrero walking through the forest and

1056
00:43:48,130 --> 00:43:46,339
it seems to have supernatural powers

1057
00:43:50,140 --> 00:43:48,140
which we would put you know in the same

1058
00:43:52,359 --> 00:43:50,150
category like the gnomes or the fairies

1059
00:43:54,790 --> 00:43:52,369
leprechauns little people the hurdal

1060
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:54,800
fault all of those where I spoke with

1061
00:43:59,680 --> 00:43:56,930
one gentleman who was working in what we

1062
00:44:02,829 --> 00:43:59,690
would consider a natural forest here in

1063
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:02,839
the u.s. down by the Blue Hole Forest in

1064
00:44:09,550 --> 00:44:06,530
Belize and when we asked if he had ever

1065
00:44:12,310 --> 00:44:09,560
heard of the Duende sightings his face

1066
00:44:15,130 --> 00:44:12,320
got white and he told us the story when

1067
00:44:19,420 --> 00:44:15,140
he was a kid that he result playing and

1068
00:44:21,970 --> 00:44:19,430
he saw the small man appear at the edge

1069
00:44:24,609 --> 00:44:21,980
of the woods and the man was singing and

1070
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:24,619
playing a song and the young boy fell

1071
00:44:28,300 --> 00:44:26,330
into this spell and started walking

1072
00:44:30,220 --> 00:44:28,310
toward the man and then all of a sudden

1073
00:44:31,060 --> 00:44:30,230
he heard his mother yelling for him to

1074
00:44:33,610 --> 00:44:31,070
come back home

1075
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:33,620
for lunch or dinner and the spell was

1076
00:44:39,220 --> 00:44:36,530
broken and he ran back fearful of what

1077
00:44:41,170 --> 00:44:39,230
would have happened and he looked at us

1078
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:41,180
and said why would you ever go looking

1079
00:44:46,660 --> 00:44:43,490
for this creature you want to stay as

1080
00:44:49,300 --> 00:44:46,670
far away from this thing as possible so

1081
00:44:52,590 --> 00:44:49,310
I think I love these stories in other

1082
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:52,600
countries because it shows just the

1083
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:55,490
extent of their belief system that they

1084
00:44:59,260 --> 00:44:56,530
believe in these creatures

1085
00:45:02,080 --> 00:44:59,270
wholeheartedly that it's not something

1086
00:45:05,580 --> 00:45:02,090
to trifle with that it's something that

1087
00:45:08,410 --> 00:45:05,590
you should really heed the warning of

1088
00:45:11,170 --> 00:45:08,420
yeah man when when cultures around the

1089
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:11,180
planet have similar stories of type

1090
00:45:15,820 --> 00:45:13,610
legends or leprechauns or gnomes are

1091
00:45:17,740 --> 00:45:15,830
these little guys it just makes it all

1092
00:45:21,340 --> 00:45:17,750
the more interesting adds another layer

1093
00:45:23,170 --> 00:45:21,350
of validated eatin to it possibly I mean

1094
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:23,180
and even in these more remote areas it's

1095
00:45:28,180 --> 00:45:25,520
even more intriguing and I've had guests

1096
00:45:30,790 --> 00:45:28,190
talk about these massive cavernous

1097
00:45:35,220 --> 00:45:30,800
worlds that beneath the earth's crust is

1098
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:35,230
is got these massive cavern systems that

1099
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:38,450
contain probably all types of life that

1100
00:45:42,220 --> 00:45:40,130
we just don't even talk about or know

1101
00:45:44,380 --> 00:45:42,230
about and maybe that's where Bigfoot's

1102
00:45:46,060 --> 00:45:44,390
truly reside and then they just every

1103
00:45:47,860 --> 00:45:46,070
once in a while one comes out and

1104
00:45:49,870 --> 00:45:47,870
wanders around the town for a bit and

1105
00:45:52,150 --> 00:45:49,880
goes back I wonder if it's not the same

1106
00:45:54,460 --> 00:45:52,160
with the with some of these leprechaun

1107
00:45:56,380 --> 00:45:54,470
type little guys they could just be

1108
00:45:58,150 --> 00:45:56,390
beings from these cavernous worlds they

1109
00:46:00,910 --> 00:45:58,160
gotta live somewhere somewhere less

1110
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:00,920
obvious you know and that would explain

1111
00:46:08,740 --> 00:46:05,450
one of the the skeptics main criticisms

1112
00:46:11,830 --> 00:46:08,750
of cryptozoology of why haven't we found

1113
00:46:14,830 --> 00:46:11,840
the carcass of a Bigfoot or any type of

1114
00:46:16,570 --> 00:46:14,840
evidence of little people or any of the

1115
00:46:19,210 --> 00:46:16,580
other you know anything from the Beast

1116
00:46:21,610 --> 00:46:19,220
of the Bray Road to chupacabras why

1117
00:46:23,650 --> 00:46:21,620
haven't we found these well that may be

1118
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:23,660
one explanation is that they don't

1119
00:46:28,180 --> 00:46:26,810
actually reside here I've also heard

1120
00:46:30,610 --> 00:46:28,190
people on the other side give the

1121
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:30,620
argument you know you see pigeons all

1122
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:32,090
over the city but have you ever really

1123
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:34,400
seen a baby pigeon because I haven't

1124
00:46:38,110 --> 00:46:36,890
I've seen thousands of adult ones or you

1125
00:46:40,450 --> 00:46:38,120
know if you're out in the woods have you

1126
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:40,460
ever seen a bear carcass you never seen

1127
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:41,930
a Bigfoot carcass have you ever even

1128
00:46:44,620 --> 00:46:44,090
seen a bear one because they don't

1129
00:46:46,570 --> 00:46:44,630
Jenner

1130
00:46:49,390 --> 00:46:46,580
you don't you may see a live one but

1131
00:46:52,450 --> 00:46:49,400
they're way more abundant than say a

1132
00:46:54,010 --> 00:46:52,460
Bigfoot so some of these questions of

1133
00:46:55,570 --> 00:46:54,020
like well why don't we have the smoking

1134
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:55,580
gun evidence I'm like you know well

1135
00:46:59,380 --> 00:46:57,530
there's a lot of things that we consider

1136
00:47:01,600 --> 00:46:59,390
normal and everyday reality but if you

1137
00:47:04,420 --> 00:47:01,610
try to get it in a certain framework you

1138
00:47:06,490 --> 00:47:04,430
can't find it so I don't know sometimes

1139
00:47:09,070 --> 00:47:06,500
I think people a little too hard up for

1140
00:47:10,420 --> 00:47:09,080
that smoking gun evidence because that

1141
00:47:11,860 --> 00:47:10,430
doesn't necessarily mean just because

1142
00:47:14,650 --> 00:47:11,870
you haven't seen it doesn't mean it

1143
00:47:16,450 --> 00:47:14,660
isn't there I agree completely here in

1144
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:16,460
the the Midwest and the North Woods of

1145
00:47:22,780 --> 00:47:18,890
Wisconsin in Minnesota you know we have

1146
00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:22,790
a ton of bear wolves and moose and I've

1147
00:47:27,730 --> 00:47:25,310
been in the woods countless hours on end

1148
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:27,740
over the years and I've yet to encounter

1149
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:30,650
a carcass of any of those animals and we

1150
00:47:34,870 --> 00:47:32,690
know there are hundreds upon hundreds of

1151
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:34,880
those creatures living that what if

1152
00:47:41,860 --> 00:47:37,610
we're talking about creatures of just a

1153
00:47:44,500 --> 00:47:41,870
couple or even one or two that the odds

1154
00:47:46,990 --> 00:47:44,510
of finding them as you said might be

1155
00:47:50,350 --> 00:47:47,000
very minuscule man wouldn't it be

1156
00:47:54,250 --> 00:47:50,360
interesting if Bigfoot's and leprechauns

1157
00:47:56,590 --> 00:47:54,260
and these and fairies actually resided

1158
00:47:59,410 --> 00:47:56,600
in these cavernous worlds and the inside

1159
00:48:01,540 --> 00:47:59,420
of the earth and they had stories and

1160
00:48:03,850 --> 00:48:01,550
myths and lore about a bright land with

1161
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:03,860
a blue sky and towering buildings and

1162
00:48:07,090 --> 00:48:05,690
legends of the weird human creatures

1163
00:48:08,620 --> 00:48:07,100
that all love to kill each other and

1164
00:48:11,260 --> 00:48:08,630
exchanged green paper

1165
00:48:13,240 --> 00:48:11,270
wouldn't that be trippy yeah no one

1166
00:48:15,550 --> 00:48:13,250
would believe him down there they'd say

1167
00:48:17,710 --> 00:48:15,560
that's just too weird right yeah and

1168
00:48:19,930 --> 00:48:17,720
then then every one of them one of them

1169
00:48:21,430 --> 00:48:19,940
in your field ventures to the surface to

1170
00:48:23,620 --> 00:48:21,440
try to get some pictures of the surface

1171
00:48:26,620 --> 00:48:23,630
world and escape back down without being

1172
00:48:29,410 --> 00:48:26,630
captured I think you just wrote a movie

1173
00:48:31,150 --> 00:48:29,420
right there yeah man it might be the

1174
00:48:34,570 --> 00:48:31,160
other side of the coin who knows the

1175
00:48:36,250 --> 00:48:34,580
world is a weird place but you know we

1176
00:48:38,860 --> 00:48:36,260
were talking a little bit about the

1177
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:38,870
VanMeter visitor through our email

1178
00:48:44,410 --> 00:48:40,970
exchange which I know you've got a book

1179
00:48:46,330 --> 00:48:44,420
about and was a Batman Mothman type of

1180
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:46,340
winged creature that showed up in Iowa

1181
00:48:50,050 --> 00:48:48,410
for a while but knowing I love a good

1182
00:48:51,940 --> 00:48:50,060
conspiracy you mentioned that there were

1183
00:48:53,410 --> 00:48:51,950
some things going on around those

1184
00:48:55,780 --> 00:48:53,420
sightings that may have alluded to a

1185
00:48:58,510 --> 00:48:55,790
cover-up or something similar can you

1186
00:49:01,060 --> 00:48:58,520
tell me more about that angle yeah

1187
00:49:04,660 --> 00:49:01,070
well of course in 1903 we're looking at

1188
00:49:07,300 --> 00:49:04,670
rural Iowa small town a van Meter 800

1189
00:49:09,490 --> 00:49:07,310
people when the town started seeing

1190
00:49:12,609 --> 00:49:09,500
mysterious balls of light that would be

1191
00:49:15,130 --> 00:49:12,619
very similar to UFO sightings today and

1192
00:49:18,220 --> 00:49:15,140
eventually it turned into people seeing

1193
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:18,230
and shooting at this eight-foot giant

1194
00:49:22,810 --> 00:49:20,720
bat light creature that they thought was

1195
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:22,820
coming out of an old abandoned coal mine

1196
00:49:26,770 --> 00:49:25,130
on the outskirts of town so they started

1197
00:49:30,010 --> 00:49:26,780
talking about this thing as being an

1198
00:49:33,070 --> 00:49:30,020
anti diluvian monster from biblical

1199
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:33,080
times and what I found fascinating is

1200
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:36,410
that the newspaper accounts talk about

1201
00:49:42,010 --> 00:49:39,050
them cornering this beast at the old

1202
00:49:44,650 --> 00:49:42,020
mine and then they stopped reporting

1203
00:49:46,900 --> 00:49:44,660
about it they didn't know more news

1204
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:46,910
articles whatsoever it just abruptly

1205
00:49:52,090 --> 00:49:49,970
stopped and we had no idea whether these

1206
00:49:53,890 --> 00:49:52,100
people were you know they killed it or

1207
00:49:55,870 --> 00:49:53,900
they were harmed by it or what happened

1208
00:49:58,480 --> 00:49:55,880
and then it seemed like the town did

1209
00:50:00,850 --> 00:49:58,490
everything they could to distance

1210
00:50:03,370 --> 00:50:00,860
themselves from the story once it broke

1211
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:03,380
that they wrote editorials and

1212
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:05,930
newspapers saying do not come here

1213
00:50:10,510 --> 00:50:07,490
there's nothing to see which of course

1214
00:50:13,900 --> 00:50:10,520
even at that time had the reverse effect

1215
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:13,910
of people wanting to go there but it

1216
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:15,680
seemed as though it was nearly just kind

1217
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:18,530
of forgotten and they tried to brush it

1218
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:21,170
over in 1903 they tried to cover it up

1219
00:50:26,590 --> 00:50:23,450
if you will and it remained hidden for

1220
00:50:28,780 --> 00:50:26,600
many decades even locals towns folk in

1221
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:28,790
Van Meter didn't really know the story

1222
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:31,010
until we happen to start digging a

1223
00:50:35,740 --> 00:50:33,680
little bit deeper and it really seemed

1224
00:50:38,380 --> 00:50:35,750
like there was some type of conspiracy

1225
00:50:40,900 --> 00:50:38,390
back then to make sure more information

1226
00:50:43,359 --> 00:50:40,910
about the case never got out that is

1227
00:50:45,609 --> 00:50:43,369
interesting and again a coal mine you

1228
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:45,619
know this this beast coming from a coal

1229
00:50:51,070 --> 00:50:48,050
mine that's these cavernous worlds in

1230
00:50:53,290 --> 00:50:51,080
the Inner Earth could be and maybe these

1231
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:53,300
may be the higher ups found out about

1232
00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:55,850
the situation came to town put the

1233
00:50:59,830 --> 00:50:58,010
kibosh on this thing didn't want people

1234
00:51:02,170 --> 00:50:59,840
asking questions or digging deeper or

1235
00:51:04,570 --> 00:51:02,180
getting wise to the to the idea that

1236
00:51:05,770 --> 00:51:04,580
there might be otherworldly entities

1237
00:51:08,380 --> 00:51:05,780
beneath our feet

1238
00:51:11,290 --> 00:51:08,390
but yeah I appreciate that that's that's

1239
00:51:13,660 --> 00:51:11,300
a good anecdotal story and the

1240
00:51:16,510 --> 00:51:13,670
creature itself seemed to be about a

1241
00:51:18,850 --> 00:51:16,520
hundred years in front of UFO research

1242
00:51:22,180 --> 00:51:18,860
because it was exhibiting things that we

1243
00:51:25,060 --> 00:51:22,190
now see in UFO literature in research

1244
00:51:28,540 --> 00:51:25,070
but back then they'd never heard of this

1245
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:28,550
thing was impervious to weapons it had a

1246
00:51:34,180 --> 00:51:31,490
light that was protruding out of a horn

1247
00:51:36,610 --> 00:51:34,190
in its head and this light was shining

1248
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:36,620
at a brightness that nearly blinded

1249
00:51:42,100 --> 00:51:39,530
people and it had the ability to release

1250
00:51:44,770 --> 00:51:42,110
some type of odor which erased the

1251
00:51:47,350 --> 00:51:44,780
memory of certain witnesses that they

1252
00:51:49,060 --> 00:51:47,360
remembered up until seeing this light

1253
00:51:51,550 --> 00:51:49,070
hit them with an odor and then they

1254
00:51:54,790 --> 00:51:51,560
forgot the rest of the evening I mean

1255
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:54,800
all things of missing time technology

1256
00:52:00,370 --> 00:51:57,410
way above our own things that we now

1257
00:52:02,620 --> 00:52:00,380
consider staples of UFO abduction

1258
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:02,630
research but back then they had never

1259
00:52:11,740 --> 00:52:07,130
heard of wow now that's interesting to

1260
00:52:13,180 --> 00:52:11,750
men amnesia by smelling an odor I have

1261
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:13,190
never heard of that involved with a

1262
00:52:20,500 --> 00:52:18,530
cryptid yet so that's pretty unique that

1263
00:52:22,210 --> 00:52:20,510
was that one of the aspects I loved of

1264
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:22,220
the cases that this thing could just

1265
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:25,280
erase the memory of people and I wonder

1266
00:52:29,550 --> 00:52:27,530
how many people were hit by this thing

1267
00:52:32,770 --> 00:52:29,560
the newspapers only talked about one

1268
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:32,780
person that was hit but it may have been

1269
00:52:38,020 --> 00:52:36,250
dozens or hundreds for all we know yeah

1270
00:52:40,210 --> 00:52:38,030
weird stuff man

1271
00:52:42,820 --> 00:52:40,220
also we got to take some time out for

1272
00:52:44,740 --> 00:52:42,830
Pepe before we go Pepe the lake monster

1273
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:44,750
of the Mississippi is actually your

1274
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:46,490
latest book and you were kind enough to

1275
00:52:50,260 --> 00:52:47,810
share it with me and I thought it was

1276
00:52:52,090 --> 00:52:50,270
great what I really liked about it as

1277
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:52,100
opposed to many other cryptid books that

1278
00:52:56,170 --> 00:52:54,410
I've read is that it's got all the

1279
00:52:58,390 --> 00:52:56,180
previous sightings that you'd expect but

1280
00:53:00,010 --> 00:52:58,400
it's also more of a tour diary from the

1281
00:53:02,610 --> 00:53:00,020
two expeditions you've gone out on

1282
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:02,620
searching for Pepe and a taste of that

1283
00:53:08,170 --> 00:53:05,410
$50,000 reward offered up by this

1284
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:08,180
Minnesota businessman and I have to say

1285
00:53:12,910 --> 00:53:09,770
man it seems like you got a lot of good

1286
00:53:16,770 --> 00:53:12,920
compelling pictures of wood yeah yeah

1287
00:53:19,240 --> 00:53:16,780
one lateral waves have submerged logs

1288
00:53:22,450 --> 00:53:19,250
what I love about this is that there is

1289
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:22,460
a $50,000 reward offered for anyone who

1290
00:53:26,350 --> 00:53:23,930
can capture proof

1291
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:26,360
that Pepe is either an undiscovered

1292
00:53:32,380 --> 00:53:29,210
species or a species that is thought to

1293
00:53:34,270 --> 00:53:32,390
be extinct and as of today that reward

1294
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:34,280
hasn't been claimed so any of your

1295
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:36,530
listeners can make their way up to the

1296
00:53:41,530 --> 00:53:38,570
Mississippi River and visit Lake Pepin

1297
00:53:44,050 --> 00:53:41,540
and capture this thing but when I do

1298
00:53:46,690 --> 00:53:44,060
books a lot of the time I want to get

1299
00:53:49,870 --> 00:53:46,700
the general public it's not necessarily

1300
00:53:51,970 --> 00:53:49,880
aimed for the die-hard researchers and

1301
00:53:55,090 --> 00:53:51,980
those are the people that would love for

1302
00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:55,100
you to say you know spend twenty pages

1303
00:53:59,290 --> 00:53:57,050
talking about how you discovered one

1304
00:54:01,090 --> 00:53:59,300
sighting took place three days before

1305
00:54:03,490 --> 00:54:01,100
everybody else actually thought it took

1306
00:54:06,370 --> 00:54:03,500
place but for the general public they

1307
00:54:09,790 --> 00:54:06,380
want the highlights and the fun and we

1308
00:54:12,730 --> 00:54:09,800
really stole some of Nick Redferns three

1309
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:12,740
men seeking monsters approach and that

1310
00:54:17,530 --> 00:54:15,050
we decided to document our two

1311
00:54:20,170 --> 00:54:17,540
expeditions in kind of a paranormal

1312
00:54:22,690 --> 00:54:20,180
travelogue much like he did with his

1313
00:54:24,550 --> 00:54:22,700
book we thought that that's going to be

1314
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:24,560
a lot of fun for people who may never

1315
00:54:29,590 --> 00:54:27,200
visit the lake at least they can ride

1316
00:54:32,500 --> 00:54:29,600
around on our expedition cruiser and get

1317
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:32,510
a feel for it yeah man it is a good way

1318
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:35,570
to write a book and unfortunately you

1319
00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:37,280
didn't find the creature but I did think

1320
00:54:40,450 --> 00:54:38,510
it was a little bit funny that the

1321
00:54:42,610 --> 00:54:40,460
newspaper that did apparently have a

1322
00:54:45,150 --> 00:54:42,620
picture of the creature from years prior

1323
00:54:49,180 --> 00:54:45,160
was so difficult to work with for you

1324
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:49,190
yeah talk about conspiracies I contacted

1325
00:54:54,730 --> 00:54:51,770
a paper that posted back in 1987 a

1326
00:54:56,860 --> 00:54:54,740
picture of the alleged peppy claiming it

1327
00:54:59,440 --> 00:54:56,870
was conclusive evidence of the creatures

1328
00:55:02,140 --> 00:54:59,450
existence and they all but you know

1329
00:55:04,270 --> 00:55:02,150
threatened to burn down my house that if

1330
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:04,280
I talked to them again they'd wanted

1331
00:55:09,460 --> 00:55:06,770
nothing to do with the story the the

1332
00:55:12,190 --> 00:55:09,470
main desk operator told me that the

1333
00:55:13,750 --> 00:55:12,200
editor wasn't available and they wanted

1334
00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:13,760
nothing to do it was almost as though

1335
00:55:18,610 --> 00:55:16,130
they were afraid that somebody was going

1336
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:18,620
to sue them or something I had never in

1337
00:55:24,310 --> 00:55:21,650
my entire research career encountered a

1338
00:55:26,740 --> 00:55:24,320
newspaper that was so willing to just

1339
00:55:29,620 --> 00:55:26,750
throw out everything they had done and

1340
00:55:32,110 --> 00:55:29,630
just cover it up yeah it definitely adds

1341
00:55:34,510 --> 00:55:32,120
a little mystique to the story any plans

1342
00:55:37,550 --> 00:55:34,520
for a third up expedition or has Pepe

1343
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:37,560
worn you out with just the two

1344
00:55:40,910 --> 00:55:39,810
no I would love to go back and a lot of

1345
00:55:42,740 --> 00:55:40,920
people say you must have been

1346
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:42,750
disappointed when you haven't solved the

1347
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:44,850
mystery but for me it's the exact

1348
00:55:50,180 --> 00:55:47,490
opposite then if I would have determined

1349
00:55:53,690 --> 00:55:50,190
that it was nothing more than a large

1350
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:53,700
sturgeon or a catfish or something like

1351
00:55:57,230 --> 00:55:55,530
that for me that would have been just

1352
00:55:59,360 --> 00:55:57,240
terrible that the mystery would have

1353
00:56:01,730 --> 00:55:59,370
been you know dead forever then I hope

1354
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:01,740
generations from now kids stick their

1355
00:56:07,870 --> 00:56:04,050
feet into Lake Pepin and wonder if

1356
00:56:10,310 --> 00:56:07,880
Pepe's going to chomp them off man

1357
00:56:13,310 --> 00:56:10,320
awesome stuff is there anything else in

1358
00:56:15,380 --> 00:56:13,320
your 20 years of research any mysteries

1359
00:56:17,060 --> 00:56:15,390
or stories that stick out to you as

1360
00:56:20,030 --> 00:56:17,070
being interesting that we haven't

1361
00:56:21,860 --> 00:56:20,040
touched on yeah I love the the Windigo

1362
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:21,870
stories of course I'm from the North

1363
00:56:27,110 --> 00:56:24,570
Woods of Wisconsin and Minnesota and

1364
00:56:30,290 --> 00:56:27,120
Canada have the story of this you know

1365
00:56:33,260 --> 00:56:30,300
the supernatural being that is thought

1366
00:56:34,790 --> 00:56:33,270
to have been someone that fell into a

1367
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:34,800
hard winter and resorted to cannibalism

1368
00:56:40,610 --> 00:56:37,650
and then forever curse to walk the earth

1369
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:40,620
as this Windigo creature and many

1370
00:56:44,660 --> 00:56:42,690
believe that much like hearing the Irish

1371
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:44,670
Banshee that it's a harbinger of death

1372
00:56:49,700 --> 00:56:47,130
that if you see this creature it means

1373
00:56:52,610 --> 00:56:49,710
you or someone that you know is going to

1374
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:52,620
die very shortly so I love stories like

1375
00:56:57,740 --> 00:56:54,960
that where there's some danger involved

1376
00:56:59,600 --> 00:56:57,750
right on yeah that's kind of new to me

1377
00:57:01,010 --> 00:56:59,610
also but I think that's a compelling

1378
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:01,020
legend man

1379
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:04,050
very cool chat it has been a crazy all

1380
00:57:08,300 --> 00:57:06,330
over the map plethora of paranormal

1381
00:57:10,010 --> 00:57:08,310
weirdness just the way I like it and I'm

1382
00:57:11,390 --> 00:57:10,020
sure you do too but before we really

1383
00:57:12,890 --> 00:57:11,400
call it in would you like to tell the

1384
00:57:14,510 --> 00:57:12,900
people a little bit about your website

1385
00:57:16,730 --> 00:57:14,520
or books or anything else you got going

1386
00:57:19,490 --> 00:57:16,740
on sure best way to find me is on

1387
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:19,500
explained research calm or just type my

1388
00:57:24,140 --> 00:57:21,210
name and you'll be flooded with more

1389
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:24,150
stuff than you ever want or need but you

1390
00:57:29,090 --> 00:57:26,850
know my main goal here is to not take my

1391
00:57:32,270 --> 00:57:29,100
word for any of this go out on your own

1392
00:57:33,950 --> 00:57:32,280
adventure and you know discover what's

1393
00:57:35,510 --> 00:57:33,960
in your own backyard and I think of a

1394
00:57:38,450 --> 00:57:35,520
lot of your listeners will find that

1395
00:57:41,060 --> 00:57:38,460
there's some creepy enos waiting out

1396
00:57:43,490 --> 00:57:41,070
there for them yeah I don't doubt that

1397
00:57:45,470 --> 00:57:43,500
man it is everywhere just beyond the

1398
00:57:48,410 --> 00:57:45,480
humdrum nine-to-five life that we're all

1399
00:57:50,540 --> 00:57:48,420
so tuned into but hey man it's been

1400
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:50,550
awesome great time keep doing what you

1401
00:57:52,670 --> 00:57:51,210
do

1402
00:57:54,349 --> 00:57:52,680
look finding the answers to some of

1403
00:57:57,020 --> 00:57:54,359
these strange mysteries and take care of

1404
00:58:00,260 --> 00:57:57,030
yourself out there hey thanks and keep

1405
00:58:02,450 --> 00:58:00,270
an eye out will do man take care there

1406
00:58:04,940 --> 00:58:02,460
we have it folks another one in the bag

1407
00:58:07,130 --> 00:58:04,950
if you have any stories of paranormal

1408
00:58:08,990 --> 00:58:07,140
weirdness in your life please go to the

1409
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:09,000
higher side shets dot-com and click on

1410
00:58:11,810 --> 00:58:11,250
the microphone on the side and leave us

1411
00:58:14,420 --> 00:58:11,820
a message

1412
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:14,430
I love playing those on the air and the

1413
00:58:18,589 --> 00:58:16,170
submitted music so go ahead and write

1414
00:58:20,359 --> 00:58:18,599
something about THC or the conspiracy

1415
00:58:22,310 --> 00:58:20,369
and fringe topics we cover and I would

1416
00:58:25,130 --> 00:58:22,320
love to play it as long as it's a good

1417
00:58:27,500 --> 00:58:25,140
quality recording that is important but

1418
00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:27,510
big thanks to Chad Lewis today I had a

1419
00:58:32,300 --> 00:58:29,609
blast I hope you enjoyed it and I hope

1420
00:58:34,430 --> 00:58:32,310
you enjoy all of them hell I'll go one

1421
00:58:38,089 --> 00:58:34,440
step further and say I hope you enjoy

1422
00:58:39,650 --> 00:58:38,099
life itself it's tough though there's a

1423
00:58:41,450 --> 00:58:39,660
ton of [\h__\h] to sift through and

1424
00:58:43,940 --> 00:58:41,460
tough lessons to learn on the journey of

1425
00:58:46,490 --> 00:58:43,950
finding your path why you showed up here

1426
00:58:48,770 --> 00:58:46,500
so let me end this with a few positive

1427
00:58:50,990 --> 00:58:48,780
ideas for you because sometimes you just

1428
00:58:53,420 --> 00:58:51,000
need to hear it but think ahead for a

1429
00:58:55,550 --> 00:58:53,430
second call into work tomorrow tell your

1430
00:58:58,130 --> 00:58:55,560
boss you're sick you've been working too

1431
00:58:59,960 --> 00:58:58,140
damn hard and take a day to work on your

1432
00:59:02,450 --> 00:58:59,970
passion project and if you don't have

1433
00:59:04,579 --> 00:59:02,460
one yet god damn it meditate and listen

1434
00:59:07,460 --> 00:59:04,589
to Alan Watts and Manley P hall lectures

1435
00:59:09,620 --> 00:59:07,470
until you find that passion and work for

1436
00:59:12,020 --> 00:59:09,630
yourself for eight hours tomorrow do

1437
00:59:13,640 --> 00:59:12,030
what you're gonna do to get to that

1438
00:59:16,490 --> 00:59:13,650
happy place in life in a more

1439
00:59:18,859 --> 00:59:16,500
sustainable way like I'm trying to do if

1440
00:59:20,740 --> 00:59:18,869
you're someone who felt like I did like

1441
00:59:23,570 --> 00:59:20,750
you're just kind of spinning your wheels

1442
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:23,580
everyone says work hard I say don't work

1443
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:26,130
hard for anyone but yourself because no

1444
00:59:29,810 --> 00:59:27,210
one's gonna pay you what you're worth

1445
00:59:32,300 --> 00:59:29,820
and you didn't manifest on this planet

1446
00:59:35,210 --> 00:59:32,310
to work at CVS or to file reports for

1447
00:59:37,450 --> 00:59:35,220
telecom or answer phones at AT&T I think

1448
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:37,460
you had bigger plans when you came here

1449
00:59:43,099 --> 00:59:41,010
or take the advice of today's money bomb

1450
00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:43,109
winner Britney buying something for her

1451
00:59:47,540 --> 00:59:45,119
partner to keep the creative passion

1452
00:59:49,490 --> 00:59:47,550
alive for him goddammit that someone

1453
00:59:51,770 --> 00:59:49,500
who's thinking on a higher level does

1454
00:59:54,290 --> 00:59:51,780
your partner do that for you a better

1455
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:54,300
question really is do you do that for

1456
00:59:59,570 --> 00:59:57,330
your partner who knows it's easy to get

1457
01:00:01,970 --> 00:59:59,580
stuck in the nine-to-five rut and stuck

1458
01:00:04,349 --> 01:00:01,980
in the pattern of go to work watch TV

1459
01:00:07,229 --> 01:00:04,359
with the lover and start again tomorrow

1460
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:07,239
but maybe today bring something home for

1461
01:00:11,759 --> 01:00:08,890
your partner that supports their

1462
01:00:13,620 --> 01:00:11,769
creative side do they like photography

1463
01:00:16,109 --> 01:00:13,630
do they want to get into learning

1464
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:16,119
another language do they want a garden

1465
01:00:22,650 --> 01:00:19,210
do they want to be in music do they want

1466
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:22,660
to write do they want to paint hopefully

1467
01:00:26,670 --> 01:00:24,400
they have something that's keeping them

1468
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:26,680
going bring home something for your

1469
01:00:30,239 --> 01:00:28,450
partner that supports their creative

1470
01:00:32,700 --> 01:00:30,249
side or gives them a new tool of

1471
01:00:35,249 --> 01:00:32,710
expression and help each other love life

1472
01:00:35,609 --> 01:00:35,259
not just live through it but really love

1473
01:00:38,039 --> 01:00:35,619
it

1474
01:00:39,900 --> 01:00:38,049
come on a goddamn ghost hunt or

1475
01:00:42,650 --> 01:00:39,910
something or give them a gift that never

1476
01:00:45,089 --> 01:00:42,660
stops giving the higher side chats plus

1477
01:00:46,799 --> 01:00:45,099
only one more episode to go and then on

1478
01:00:50,069 --> 01:00:46,809
August 1st we start the new to our

1479
01:00:52,249 --> 01:00:50,079
extended show man I really had to

1480
01:00:54,809 --> 01:00:52,259
cheapen that with my [\h__\h] didn't I

1481
01:00:56,370 --> 01:00:54,819
well I have to say I hope that over the

1482
01:00:58,620 --> 01:00:56,380
years you've gotten a sense of my

1483
01:01:00,960 --> 01:00:58,630
character enough to trust me when I say

1484
01:01:03,690 --> 01:01:00,970
that I have waited to the last second to

1485
01:01:06,599 --> 01:01:03,700
implement this new plus show so I really

1486
01:01:09,239 --> 01:01:06,609
do need it to be successful like right

1487
01:01:11,190 --> 01:01:09,249
away so I'm doing my best to make it

1488
01:01:14,039 --> 01:01:11,200
valuable I've recorded the first two

1489
01:01:16,470 --> 01:01:14,049
shows already and holy [\h__\h] guys I think

1490
01:01:18,390 --> 01:01:16,480
they're both pretty damn good and I have

1491
01:01:20,579 --> 01:01:18,400
to express this thoroughly my life is in

1492
01:01:23,039 --> 01:01:20,589
your hands my life is in your hands

1493
01:01:25,349 --> 01:01:23,049
dudes I've done my part this week people

1494
01:01:51,610 --> 01:01:25,359
keep fighting the good fight your move

1495
01:02:16,180 --> 01:01:54,820
in the

1496
01:02:16,190 --> 01:02:37,010
I got a

1497
01:03:56,910 --> 01:02:39,650
we can't

1498
01:04:03,430 --> 01:04:00,880
okay what are we doing today yeah I say

1499
01:04:05,260 --> 01:04:03,440
give me some that says I get up every

1500
01:04:07,420 --> 01:04:05,270
morning at 5:30 and commute for an hour

1501
01:04:09,250 --> 01:04:07,430
and a half to some [\h__\h] job my

1502
01:04:10,780 --> 01:04:09,260
jagoff boss expects me to kiss his balls

1503
01:04:12,460 --> 01:04:10,790
all day just so I can afford to keep my

1504
01:04:14,350 --> 01:04:12,470
ungrateful screaming kids decked out and

1505
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:14,360
Dora the Explorer's [\h__\h] my wife up

1506
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:16,130
to her fat ass in self-help videos until

1507
01:04:22,350 --> 01:04:17,330
the day I get up the courage to put a

1508
01:04:25,570 --> 01:04:22,360
shotgun in my mouth mm-hmm right here